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Postby [email protected] » Sun May 07, 2006 12:22 pm

Well it had to happen. :cry:
At sometime in the life of a second hand Jaguar something really BIG goes wrong. :shock:

I think these photos speak for themselves.

http://www.razey.karoo.net/images/suspension.1.jpg

http://www.razey.karoo.net/images/suspension.2.jpg

http://www.razey.karoo.net/images/suspension.3.jpg

The bad thing is, this is out of my league to fix, but a good friend of mine can hopefully help me out.
We just need to source a second hand front cross member and he'll fit it.
Trouble is he has just pulled his garage down to build a bigger one and it will be 2 months before its ready. :?
So it looks like public transport for a while. :evil:

Oh yeh, I was looking forard to gong to Cadwell Park in my XJ-S, so looks like either I'll miss it or I'll have beg a car offf a mate. :roll:

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Postby GlennH » Sun May 07, 2006 1:18 pm

ooo nasty!

So sorry to see your problem. As you say, the photos speak for themselves.
Were you driving when it collapsed?

2nd hand subframes do occasionaly crop up on e-bay but none there today.

You might try David Marks in Nottingham. He tries to keep a collection of subframes in stock when he can.

Hopefully you'll be back on the road in time for Cadwell, if not, I am sure one of us can give you a lift. :-)

Try to look on the bright side. Just think of all the fuel you will be saving at £1 per litre while she's off the road. Not much of a bright side though :-(

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Postby [email protected] » Sun May 07, 2006 3:00 pm

Yes, I was driving at the time. :?

Me and the misses had just nipped out for a Chinese take away on the other side of town when we heard this clunking sound every time I went over a bump in the road. :(
At first I thought it was a flat tyre but when I looked they were still ok.
So I drove all the way back home (with the take away) at 20mph.

Sunday morning I jacked up the car and low and behold!! :cry:

I've just spoken with my father in law and if we can get some insurance sorted, he is going to lend me his XJ6 series 1 for a while. 8)

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Postby poprivet » Sun May 07, 2006 5:19 pm

From those photos it looks like the underseal was making a good job of covering up the rot. Have you had the car long?
No getting away from it, its going to be a big job :cry:
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Postby [email protected] » Sun May 07, 2006 6:18 pm

Had the car about two and a half years now.
The trouble is do you waxoil to protect your cars from the bad weather and salt :idea: or do you leave it bare so you can see what is going on.

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Postby dhdove » Sun May 07, 2006 7:04 pm

Gordon........what a bummer, I speak from experience , it's a REAL SH*T
NB I know of exactly the same problem on a "little used "XJS where the whole top bush assembly seized due to lack of use, the load transmitted into the sub-frame and flexed it till it snapped. This may be the cause of your problem,, depending on how much you drive your car.
Another reason not to keep your car for "occasional" use.
I would echo suggestion to try Dave Marks in Nottingham , he dug me out of it when it happened to my XJ6 a few (actually many) years ago.
I dropped the car off, took the train home and went back at the end of the week on the train to pick the car up. Dave did the taxi service to and from the station.
Cost.........just about between ooooh and ouch!!
But there you go, what can you do but bite the bullet and get on with it?
NB It may be that cost isn't the major consideration as some sub-frames are getting quite rare, if you can get it fixed, carry on, remember to get all those other little jobs done at the same time if you can afford it., eg hoses under the inlet manifold.........
All the very, very best luck to you :D
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Postby [email protected] » Sun May 07, 2006 7:56 pm

Thanks DH Dove,

I know it sounds daft but it does help when you hear other people have had the same issue.

I think the cause of mine was rot. :?
It gets used 3/4 times every week but I think the waxoil has hid the thing creaping up without any notice.
I'm just glad it didn't happen on a country lane at speed. :shock:

I'm going to see if my friend can get a subframe locally (hes got his hands in all kinds of pies!) but if not I'll certanlly consider David Marks.

Would it be rude of me if I asked you roughly how much your repair cost.
You can PM me or email, but if you don't thats ok. :wink:

Thanks everyone for your comments.

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Postby poprivet » Tue May 09, 2006 8:04 am

I'm convinced that there are many owners whose front subframe is in a similar condition as its not at all easy to inspect in situ. In an ideal world it would be nice to at least remove the springs to see properly inside the turret and inspect the various bushings and mountings. (Thinks, maybe I need to hire the club's spring compressor). Considering the age of most of our cars rustproofing now is a bit late. I hope someone like the JDHT will be able to offer replacement new subframes soon.
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Postby Brakebuster » Tue May 09, 2006 5:46 pm

hi,

not a nice thing to happen , especially while driving ,

anywho.....

dunno if this is of any use, but there is a chap on ebay in the UK selling a brand new ( old stock ) front subframe for £199 , with $20 delivery i think,

might be of some use to you,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... RK:MEWA:IT


hope it helps

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Postby dhdove » Tue May 09, 2006 6:17 pm

hi,

not a nice thing to happen , especially while driving ,

anywho.....

dunno if this is of any use, but there is a chap on ebay in the UK selling a brand new ( old stock ) front subframe for £199 , with $20 delivery i think,

might be of some use to you,
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... RK:MEWA:IT


hope it helps

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WOW If the right part number Snap it up!
I'm almost tempted to buy it myself and put it away for a rainy day........... :twisted:
I think this one's got Gordons name on it, best we don't all bid against him :?
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Postby [email protected] » Tue May 09, 2006 9:28 pm

What kind of price do these tend to go for guys. :?:
I've seen another for £150.
I sometimes wonder if people push up the price on ebay. :evil:

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Postby Brakebuster » Tue May 09, 2006 9:34 pm

gordon......

well, it all depends on how much the ' other ' bidder is willing to pay compared to you, thats why its an auction

the rules say you cant bid up your own item , so he cant increase the price himself...

you have to decide if its worth it , and how much you would be willing to go to for a never fitted unit

i would however deffo pm the seller to ask if it is a new item ,

its up to you,

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Postby ptjs1 » Tue May 09, 2006 11:58 pm

Part number is correct for facelift vehicle.

Would be worth asking the vendor, but I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that this is a new item.
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Postby [email protected] » Wed May 10, 2006 4:55 pm

Part number is correct for facelift vehicle.


The only thing is mine isn't a facelift model. :roll:
Mines a 91 model but the pre-facelift.

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Postby Brakebuster » Wed May 10, 2006 5:58 pm

Part number is correct for facelift vehicle.

Would be worth asking the vendor, but I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that this is a new item.


erm....if you read the listing the picture is a library one he has used, and not the actual item

and even if it was used , i still think its a bargain, especially if you need one asap

just my thoughts, and i have nothing to do with the sale of this item,

just thought someone might want/need a bargain

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